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	<title>Comments on: Chinese Unocal, #3</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8295</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, you know me better than that.

This is good stuff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, you know me better than that.</p>
<p>This is good stuff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Chaffin</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8292</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Chaffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, now you're just poking fun of the hayseed.  Like Billy Joe Shaver says,
&lt;i&gt;I got an eighth grade education,
And a good Christian raisin',
There ain't no need in yall treatin' me this way.&lt;/i&gt;

Seriously, I'm asking the questions with all sincerity towards learning.  If you think it's a good deal, then that's fine by me.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, now you&#8217;re just poking fun of the hayseed.  Like Billy Joe Shaver says,<br />
<i>I got an eighth grade education,<br />
And a good Christian raisin&#8217;,<br />
There ain&#8217;t no need in yall treatin&#8217; me this way.</i></p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;m asking the questions with all sincerity towards learning.  If you think it&#8217;s a good deal, then that&#8217;s fine by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8291</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Who’s doing the audits?&lt;/em&gt;

Um, that would be Ernst &#38; Young. I know, they're just a bunch of hacks. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Who’s doing the audits?</em></p>
<p>Um, that would be Ernst &amp; Young. I know, they&#8217;re just a bunch of hacks. <img src='http://thefatguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scott Chaffin</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8284</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Chaffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 02:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All well and good and understood.  But 70/30 is a pretty black-and-white ownership number.  That's undeniable.

And I'll say this -- with that kind of ownership split, is there any possible way to trust the books?  Who's doing the audits?  It is decidedly not where I'd want to put my money, or where I would want my company to be sold.  But I'm not a share holder, so my thoughts aren't terribly relevant anyway.

Having said that, I am sitting here in a puddle of my own sweat thanks to broke-down AC, so what the hell do I know about markets or economics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and good and understood.  But 70/30 is a pretty black-and-white ownership number.  That&#8217;s undeniable.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll say this &#8212; with that kind of ownership split, is there any possible way to trust the books?  Who&#8217;s doing the audits?  It is decidedly not where I&#8217;d want to put my money, or where I would want my company to be sold.  But I&#8217;m not a share holder, so my thoughts aren&#8217;t terribly relevant anyway.</p>
<p>Having said that, I am sitting here in a puddle of my own sweat thanks to broke-down AC, so what the hell do I know about markets or economics?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8283</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, only time will answer your questions, but those answers will come as quickly as it takes to assess how successful Cnooc is in retaining Unocal's management and operating teams. If Cnooc takes a hands-off approach and leaves the capitalist incentives in place, good things are likely to happen, not the least of which will be yet another lightbulb coming on over some good old boy Commies as they begin to think that maybe old Mao was full of crap after all.

OTOH, if they try to impose the central command, top-down management structure that would have been a given 20 years ago, all the intellectual assets will flee Unocal, and the whole thing will eventually grind to a rusting halt.

Keep in mind that the chairman of Cnooc is US-educated, and pretty savvy in the capitalist way of doing things. Also, 30% of the company is held by non-government shareholders. I just don't think this is as black-and-white as you paint it.

Cnooc is no slouch in the awl bidness, by the way. Here's something from the Motley Fool:

&lt;em&gt;Whether the deal goes through or not, there's a lot to like about CNOOC. Not only does the company have the nice margins and return on equity that you'd expect in the midst of an oil boom but also it has a pretty good production and reserve profile as well. Best of all, its production and finding costs are quite competitive ($9.93 per barrel and $4.68 per barrel, respectively), and that's one of the real keys to long-term value and success.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, only time will answer your questions, but those answers will come as quickly as it takes to assess how successful Cnooc is in retaining Unocal&#8217;s management and operating teams. If Cnooc takes a hands-off approach and leaves the capitalist incentives in place, good things are likely to happen, not the least of which will be yet another lightbulb coming on over some good old boy Commies as they begin to think that maybe old Mao was full of crap after all.</p>
<p>OTOH, if they try to impose the central command, top-down management structure that would have been a given 20 years ago, all the intellectual assets will flee Unocal, and the whole thing will eventually grind to a rusting halt.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the chairman of Cnooc is US-educated, and pretty savvy in the capitalist way of doing things. Also, 30% of the company is held by non-government shareholders. I just don&#8217;t think this is as black-and-white as you paint it.</p>
<p>Cnooc is no slouch in the awl bidness, by the way. Here&#8217;s something from the Motley Fool:</p>
<p><em>Whether the deal goes through or not, there&#8217;s a lot to like about CNOOC. Not only does the company have the nice margins and return on equity that you&#8217;d expect in the midst of an oil boom but also it has a pretty good production and reserve profile as well. Best of all, its production and finding costs are quite competitive ($9.93 per barrel and $4.68 per barrel, respectively), and that&#8217;s one of the real keys to long-term value and success.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Chaffin</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8282</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Chaffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only question is will CNOOC do that?  OK, two questions -- have they ever done it?  Well, three -- do they have the management expertise to do it?  

As I say, why am I expected to give the Commies the benefit of the doubt, given their track record so far?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only question is will CNOOC do that?  OK, two questions &#8212; have they ever done it?  Well, three &#8212; do they have the management expertise to do it?  </p>
<p>As I say, why am I expected to give the Commies the benefit of the doubt, given their track record so far?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin whited</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8281</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin whited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes capital to explore for and develop unconventional oil (as the Hubbert Peak cultists call it). If this boosts Unocal's ability to do so, then hydrocarbon consumers benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes capital to explore for and develop unconventional oil (as the Hubbert Peak cultists call it). If this boosts Unocal&#8217;s ability to do so, then hydrocarbon consumers benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: OFTP2</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8279</link>
		<dc:creator>OFTP2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: OFTP2</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8278</link>
		<dc:creator>OFTP2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to send but comes back,  www. campingworld.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to send but comes back,  <a href="http://www" rel="nofollow">http://www</a>. campingworld.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Chaffin</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8277</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Chaffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't find it.  Can you give me a link to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find it.  Can you give me a link to it?</p>
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		<title>By: OFTP2</title>
		<link>http://thefatguy.com/2005/06/chinese-unocal-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8276</link>
		<dc:creator>OFTP2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey tfg look at campingworld.com under maintaince then electrical and has perfect  meter for you 69.00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey tfg look at campingworld.com under maintaince then electrical and has perfect  meter for you 69.00</p>
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